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PostSubject: Learning English   Learning English EmptySat Mar 01, 2008 12:17 am

 àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå ó ïðèòÿæàòåëüíûõ ìåñòîèìåíèé my, your è our îòñóòñòâóþò êàòåãîðèè ðîäà è ÷èñëà.

my - ìîé, ìîÿ, ìîå, ìîè;
your - òâîé, òâîÿ, òâîå, òâîè;
our - íàø, íàøà, íàøå, íàøè.

Ðîä è ÷èñëî óñòàíàâëèâàþòñÿ ÷åðåç êîíòåêñò.  àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå ýòè êàòåãîðèè â äàííîì ñëó÷àå íå âàæíû.

Òàêæå èñêëþ÷èòåëüíî ïî êîíòåêñòó è ëîãè÷åñêîìó ðàññóæäåíèþ îïðåäåëÿåòñÿ çíà÷åíèå ëè÷íîãî ìåñòîèìåíèÿ you, êîòîðîå ìîæåò ïåðåâîäèòüñÿ êàê òû è êàê âû.
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptySat Mar 01, 2008 12:20 am

Ñòðóêòóðà ïðåäëîæåíèÿ. Ïîðÿäîê ñëîâ â óòâåðäèòåëüíûõ è îòðèöàòåëüíûõ ïðåäëîæåíèÿõ

×òî òàêîå "ïðåäëîæåíèå"?

Ïðåäëîæåíèå (sentence) (êàê â àíãëèéñêîì, òàê è â ðóññêîì ÿçûêå) - ýòî íåêîòîðàÿ çàêîí÷åííàÿ ìûñëü. Îíî íà÷èíàåòñÿ ñ çàãëàâíîé áóêâû (capital letter), à çàêàí÷èâàåòñÿ òî÷êîé (full stop):

We are at home. - Ìû äîìà.
John likes good food. - Äæîíó íðàâèòñÿ õîðîøàÿ åäà.


Èç ÷åãî ñîñòîèò ïðåäëîæåíèå?

Êàê â ðóññêîì ÿçûêå, òàê è â àíãëèéñêîì ïðåäëîæåíèå ìîæåò ñîñòîÿòü èç ñëåäóþùèõ ÷ëåíîâ: ïîäëåæàùåãî (subject), ñêàçóåìîãî (verb), äîïîëíåíèÿ (object èëè complement), îáñòîÿòåëüñòâà (adverbial modifier) è îïðåäåëåíèÿ (attribute).

At the lessons our teachers use various interesting materials. - Íà óðîêàõ íàøè ó÷èòåëÿ èñïîëüçóþò ðàçëè÷íûå èíòåðåñíûå ìàòåðèàëû.

teachers - ïîäëåæàùåå
use - ñêàçóåìîå (ãëàãîë)
materials - äîïîëíåíèå
various interesting - äâà îïðåäåëåíèÿ, îòíîñÿùèõñÿ ê ñëîâó "materials" at the lessons - îáñòîÿòåëüñòâî


Êàêèå ÷ëåíû ïðåäëîæåíèÿ îáÿçàòåëüíû â àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå?

 ðóññêîì ÿçûêå ìîæåò ñóùåñòâîâàòü ïðåäëîæåíèå áåç ïîäëåæàùåãî è/èëè áåç ñêàçóåìîãî: "Ýòî ðó÷êà."; "Ïîçäíî.", "Ìíå õîëîäíî".

Âî âñåõ ïðåäëîæåíèÿõ àíãëèéñêîãî ÿçûêà îáÿçàòåëüíî è ïîäëåæàùåå, è ñêàçóåìîå. Ñðàâíèòå ñ ïðèìåðàìè âûøå: "It is a pen." "It is late." "I am cold."

Îñòàëüíûå ÷ëåíû ïðåäëîæåíèÿ ìîãóò îòñóòñòâîâàòü (îíè íàçûâàþòñÿ âòîðîñòåïåííûìè ÷ëåíàìè ïðåäëîæåíèÿ).

We arrived. - Ìû ïðèåõàëè.
We - ïîäëåæàùåå, arrived - ñêàçóåìîå (ãëàãîë).

We arrived in the morning.
in the morning - îáñòîÿòåëüñòâî âðåìåíè
We arrived at a small station. - Ìû ïðèåõàëè íà ìàëåíüêóþ ñòàíöèþ.
at a small station - îáñòîÿòåëüñòâî ìåñòà
small (ìàëåíüêàÿ) - îïðåäåëåíèå, ïîÿñíÿþùåå ñëîâî station (ñòàíöèÿ)


Ïîðÿäîê ñëîâ â àíãëèéñêîì ïðåäëîæåíèè


 àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå - ôèêñèðîâàííûé ïîðÿäîê ñëîâ. Òî åñòü, êàæäûé ÷ëåí ïðåäëîæåíèÿ íàõîäèòñÿ íà ñâîåì îïðåäåëåííîì ìåñòå.  ðóññêîì ÿçûêå ïî÷òè âî âñåõ ÷àñòÿõ ðå÷è åñòü îêîí÷àíèÿ, ïðè ïîìîùè êîòîðûõ âûðàæàþòñÿ êàòåãîðèè âðåìåíè, ðîäà, ÷èñëà è ò.ï. Ïîýòîìó ïîðÿäîê ñëîâ â ðóññêîì ïðåäëîæåíèè ñâîáîäíûé. Àíãëèéñêèé ÿçûê ïðèíàäëåæèò ê äðóãîìó ÿçûêîâîìó òèïó è â íåì ïðàêòè÷åñêè íåò îêîí÷àíèé. Íî ïîòðåáíîñòü âûðàçèòü âñå òå êàòåãîðèè, êîòîðûå âûðàæàåò ðóññêèé ÿçûê, îñòàëàñü. Ïîýòîìó âûõîä íàøåëñÿ â ôèêñèðîâàííîì ïîðÿäêå ñëîâ. Ýòî äåëàåò àíãëèéñêèé ÿçûê áîëåå "ëîãè÷íûì", ïîõîæèì íà ïðîñòûå ìàòåìàòè÷åñêèå ôîðìóëû, ÷òî, íåñîìíåííî, îáëåã÷àåò åãî èçó÷åíèå.

Ñðàâíèòå:
(2) Ñìîòðþ (1) ÿ (3) òåëåâèçîð ïî áóäíÿì ðåäêî.
(1) I seldom (2) watch (3) TV on week-days

Ïîðÿäîê ñëîâ â óòâåðäèòåëüíîå ïðåäëîæåíèå (affirmative sentence)

 óòâåðäèòåëüíîì ïðåäëîæåíèè íà ïåðâîì ìåñòå ñòîèò ïîäëåæàùåå,
íà âòîðîì ìåñòå - ñêàçóåìîå,
íà òðåòüåì - âòîðîñòåïåííûå ÷ëåíû ïðåäëîæåíèÿ.

(1) We (2) are (3) in the centre of Moscow now.
Ìû (åñòü) â öåíòðå Ìîñêâû ñåé÷àñ.

(1) Julia (2) is (3) a very nice girl.
Äæóëèÿ (åñòü) î÷åíü ìèëàÿ äåâóøêà.

Ïîðÿäîê ñëîâ îòðèöàòåëüíîå ïðåäëîæåíèå (negative sentence)

 îòðèöàòåëüíîì ïðåäëîæåíèè ïîðÿäîê ñëîâ òàêîé æå, êàê â óòâåðäèòåëüíîì, íî òîëüêî ïîñëå ãëàãîëà ñòàâèòñÿ îòðèöàòåëüíàÿ ÷àñòèöà not.

(1) I (2) am not (3) hungry.
ß íå (åñòü) ãîëîäíûé(àÿ).

(1) The children (2) are not (3) attentive
Äåòè íå (åñòü) âíèìàòåëüíûå.

Çàìå÷àíèÿ:

Íåêîòîðûå âòîðîñòåïåííûå ÷ëåíû ïðåäëîæåíèÿ ìîãóò ìåíÿòü ñâîå ìåñòîïîëîæåíèå â çàâèñèìîñòè îò òîãî, ÷òî ãîâîðÿùèé õî÷åò ïîä÷åðêíóòü ïðåæäå âñåãî.

We usually go home together. - Ìû îáû÷íî õîäèì äîìîé âìåñòå.
Usually we go home together. - Îáû÷íî ìû õîäèì äîìîé âìåñòå.

 ðóññêîì ÿçûêå ñóùåñòâóþò áåçëè÷íûå ïðåäëîæåíèÿ. Òî åñòü ïðåäëîæåíèÿ, â êîòîðûõ ïðèñóòñòâóåò òîëüêî ïîäëåæàùåå èëè òîëüêî ñêàçóåìîå.  àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå â ïðåäëîæåíèè îáÿçàòåëüíî äîëæíû ïðèñóòñòâîâàòü îáà ãëàâíûõ ÷ëåíà ïðåäëîæåíèÿ. Äëÿ âûðàæåíèÿ áåçëè÷íûõ ïðåäëîæåíèé â àíãëèéñêîì ÿçûêå èñïîëüçóåòñÿ îáîðîò It is (ýòî åñòü),
ãäå It - ïîäëåæàùåå, à Is - ñêàçóåìîå.

It is cold. - Õîëîäíî. (Ýòî åñòü õîëîäíî)
It is late. - Ïîçäíî. (Ýòî åñòü ïîçäíî)

 ðàçãîâîðíîé ðå÷è ìîãóò èñïîëüçîâàòüñÿ è èñïîëüçóþòñÿ ôðàçû, íå ÿâëÿþùèåñÿ ïîëíûìè ïðåäëîæåíèÿìè:

— Hello! How are you? - Ïðèâåò! Êàê ïîæèâàåòå?
— (I am) Fine, thanks! - Ñïàñèáî, õîðîøî!
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptySat Mar 01, 2008 5:21 am

sovenok wrote:
Çàìå÷àíèÿ:
Íåêîòîðûå âòîðîñòåïåííûå ÷ëåíû ïðåäëîæåíèÿ ìîãóò ìåíÿòü ñâîå ìåñòîïîëîæåíèå â çàâèñèìîñòè îò òîãî, ÷òî ãîâîðÿùèé õî÷åò ïîä÷åðêíóòü ïðåæäå âñåãî.
We usually go home together. - Ìû îáû÷íî õîäèì äîìîé âìåñòå.
Usually we go home together. - Îáû÷íî ìû õîäèì äîìîé âìåñòå.
À íàì íà çàíÿòèÿõ ïðîñòî òàêè âäàëáëèâàëè, ÷òî íàðå÷èå ÷àñòîòû â Present Simple âñåãäà! ñòîèò ìåæäó ïîäëåæàùèì è ñêàçóåìûì.

I rarely do my homework.

À åñëè ìû èñïîëüçóåì âñïîìîãàòåëüíûé ãëàãîë, òî ïîñëå íåãî.

I'm always happy. Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptySun Mar 02, 2008 12:44 pm

×èòàòåëü Áè-áè-ñè Õóà Ôóîíã èç Âüåòíàìà ïèøåò: "Ó÷ó àíãëèéñêèé äàâíî, íî íå ìîãó óëîâèòü ðàçíèöó ìåæäó normal, ordinary è usual.  êàêèõ ñèòóàöèÿõ íóæíî èñïîëüçîâàòü òî èëè äðóãîå ñëîâî?"

Îòâå÷àåò Ñàìàíòà Õåéã, ïðåïîäàâàòåëü àíãëèéñêîãî ÿçûêà óíèâåðñèòåòà Íüþêàñëà:

 àíãëèéñêîì ìíîãî ñëîâ ñî ñõîäíûìè çíà÷åíèÿìè, êîòîðûå ìîãóò ñáèòü ñ òîëêó òåõ, êòî ó÷èò ÿçûê.  ñïîðíûõ ñèòóàöèÿõ íóæíî ïðîñëåæèâàòü ñî÷åòàåìîñòü èçó÷àåìûõ ñëîâ ñ äðóãèìè ñëîâàìè (íàïðèìåð, ïðèëàãàòåëüíûõ ñ ñóùåñòâèòåëüíûìè). Ïîëåçíî ïîëüçîâàòüñÿ òàê íàçûâàåìûìè àíãëî-àíãëèéñêèìè ñëîâàðÿìè (English-English dictionaries), ÷èòàòü õóäîæåñòâåííóþ ëèòåðàòóðó íà àíãëèéñêîì.

Íî âåðíåìñÿ ê çàäàííîìó âîïðîñó è îñòàíîâèìñÿ íà ïðèìåðàõ.

Normal è ordinary - áëèçêèå ïî çíà÷åíèþ ñëîâà. Ïðèìåð: We had normal/ordinary day at work.  ýòîì ñëó÷àå èìååòñÿ ââèäó, ÷òî ó íàñ áûë îáû÷íûé ðàáî÷èé äåíü, ò.å. íè÷åãî îñîáåííîãî íå ïðîèñõîäèëî.

Normal (or ordinary) meal at the restaurant çâó÷èò íå ñëèøêîì çàìàí÷èâî è ìîæåò îçíà÷àòü, ÷òî åäà, ïî êðàéíåé ìåðå, íå ÿâëÿåòñÿ óæàñíîé.

Åñòü îïðåäåëåííûé íþàíñ óïîòðåáëåíèÿ ïðèëàãàòåëüíûõ normal è ordinary ñî ñëîâîì people. Êîãäà ìû ãîâîðèì normal people, ðå÷ü, âåðîÿòíî, èäåò î ëþäÿõ, êîòîðûå äóìàþò è âåäóò ñåáÿ òàê æå, êàê è áîëüøèíñòâî äðóãèõ ëþäåé.

À âîò ñî÷åòàíèå ordinary people ìîæåò óêàçûâàòü íà ñîöèàëüíûé ñòàòóñ, ò.å. òàê ìîæíî ñêàçàòü î ëþäÿõ, êîòîðûå íå ÿâëÿþòñÿ î÷åíü áîãàòûìè: f.e. These houses have been built for ordinary people to buy.

 ñâîþ î÷åðåäü usual ÷àñòî óêàçûâàåò íà ïðèâû÷êè èëè ïîâåäåíèå ëþäåé. Íàïðèìåð, usual bus - òîò ñàìûé àâòîáóñ, íà êîòîðîì åçæó êàæäûé äåíü, êîòîðûé èäåò â îäíî è òî æå âðåìÿ, ïî ïðèâû÷íîìó ìíå ìàðøðóòó.

Èëè You can arrange to meet someone at the usual - èìååòñÿ ââèäó áàð, êàôå èëè äðóãîå çàâåäåíèå, â êîòîðîì îáû÷íî âñòðå÷àþòñÿ ñòàðûå çíàêîìûå (normal èëè ordinary â äàííîì ñëó÷àå íåóìåñòíû).

È åùå îäèí ïðèìåð: Regular customers in pubs often ask for their usual - â ýòîì ñëó÷àå ìû ãîâîðèì îá îäíîì è òîì æå íàïèòêå, êîòîðûé çàêàçûâàþò çàâñåãäàòàè ïàáîâ.
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyTue Mar 04, 2008 1:24 am

Â÷åðà ïèñàëè òåñò ïî àíãëèéñêîìó. Îäíî èç çàäàíèé - íàéòè îøèáêè â ïðåäëîæåíèÿõ. Âñåõ ïîñòàâèëî â òóïèê ïðåäëîæåíèå How long it takes you to cook a big meal? - ÃÄÅ ÒÓÒ ÎØÈÁÊÀ??? scratch scratch scratch
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyTue Mar 04, 2008 1:29 am

Ïðàâèëüíî: How long does it take you to cook a big meal? Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyTue Mar 04, 2008 1:32 am

bang head bang head bang head bang head bang head bang head bang head bang head bang head bang head

áëèèèèèèèèèèèííííí.... íó íàäî æ áûëî òàê ïðîòóïèòü... bangself ïðè÷åì âñÿ æ ãðóïïà... bangself
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyTue Mar 04, 2008 11:55 pm

Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
No sheen, without green
When the time comes to roll, make sure you got the toll
I ain't no greedy but I sure am needy


Ïîõîæå ÷òî ýòî êàêèå-òî ïîãîâîðêè, êòî-òî ìîæåò ïðîêîììåíòèðîâàòü Rolling Eyes


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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyWed Mar 05, 2008 12:44 am

take a hair of the dog that bit you, freshen the nip â ëèíãâå íàïèñàíî, ÷òî ýòî îçíà÷àåò îïîõìåëèòüñÿ
Íåóæåëè, ïðàâäà? Ìåíÿ âîò êîíêðåòíî ýòà ôðàçà çàèíòåðåñîâàëà: take a hair of the dog that bit you
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyWed Mar 05, 2008 2:53 am

Civetta wrote:
Ìåíÿ âîò êîíêðåòíî ýòà ôðàçà çàèíòåðåñîâàëà: take a hair of the dog that bit you
Äà, ýòî îçíà÷àåò: êëèí êëèíîì âûøèáàòü; ÷åì óøèáñÿ, òåì è ëå÷èñü; îïîõìåëÿòüñÿ
Íàïðèìåð: When Anne had a bad hangover, Paul offered her a Bloody Mary and said, ‘Have a little of the hair of the dog that bit you.’

Hair of the dog is a colloquial English expression predominantly used to refer to ingestion of alcohol as treatment for a hangover. It is occasionally used with respect to dealing with the after effects of use of other recreational drugs. It is a shortened form of the expression “the hair of the dog that bit you.”

The origin of the phrase is literal, and comes from an erroneous method of treatment of a rabid dog bite by placing hair from the dog in the bite wound. The use of the phrase as a metaphor for a hangover treatment dates back to the time of William Shakespeare. Ebenezer Cobham Brewer writes in the Dictionary of Phrase and Fable (1898): "In Scotland it is a popular belief that a few hairs of the dog that bit you applied to the wound will prevent evil consequences. Applied to drinks, it means, if overnight you have indulged too freely, take a glass of the same wine next morning to soothe the nerves. 'If this dog do you bite, soon as out of your bed, take a hair of the tail in the morning.'" He also cites two apocryphal poems containing the phrase, one of which is attributed to Aristophanes. It is possible that the phrase was used to justify an existing practice, and the idea of Similia similibus curantur ("like cures like") dates back at least to the time of Hippocrates.

The phrase also exists in Hungarian, where the literal translation to English is "(You may cure) the dog's bite with its fur", but has evolved into a short two-word phrase ("kutyaharapást szőrével") that is used frequently in other contexts when one is trying to express that the solution to a problem is more of the problem. Among the Irish and Mexicans, the phrase 'The Cure' ("curarse la cruda", in Spanish) is often used instead of 'hair of the dog'. It is used, often sarcastically, in the question "Going for a Cure?"

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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyWed Mar 05, 2008 3:39 am

Oh! many thanks Rani!
Very informative post!

It seems me English public lesson Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 10, 2008 6:17 am

Reasons why the English language is so hard to learn:

There is no egg in eggplant nor ham in hamburger; neither apple nor pine in pineapple. English muffins weren't invented in England or French fries in France.

Sweetmeats are candies while sweetbreads, which aren't sweet, are meat.

Quicksand works slowly, boxing rings are square and a guinea pig is neither from Guinea nor is it a pig. and why is it that writers write but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce and hammers don't ham?

If the plural of tooth is teeth, why isn't the plural of booth beeth?

One goose, 2 geese. So, one moose, 2 meese?

If you have a bunch of odds and ends and get rid of all but one of them, what do you call what's left? Is it an odd, or an end?

If teachers taught, why didn't preachers praught? If a vegetarian eats vegetables, what does a humanitarian eat? In what language do people recite at a play and play at a recital? Ship by truck and send cargo by ship?

Is it only English speakers who have noses that run and feet that smell?

How can a slim chance and a fat chance be the same, while a wise man and a wise guy are opposites?

You have to marvel at the unique lunacy of a language in which your house can burn up as it burns down, in which you fill in a form by filling it out, and in which, an alarm goes off by going on.

English was invented by people, not computers, and it reflects the creativity of the human race, which, of course, is not a race at all.

That is why, when the stars are out, they are visible, but when the lights are out, they are invisible.
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyThu Mar 13, 2008 7:22 am

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Exclamation Exclamation Exclamation
No sheen, without green
When the time comes to roll, make sure you got the toll
I ain't no greedy but I sure am needy


Ïîõîæå ÷òî ýòî êàêèå-òî ïîãîâîðêè, êòî-òî ìîæåò ïðîêîììåíòèðîâàòü Rolling Eyes
Exclamation íó, ÷òî íèêòî ìíå íå ìîæåò îáúÿñíèòü ÷òî ýòî çíà÷èò, äà Sad

Question è ÷òî òàêîå snoop dogs words
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 6:01 am

Â÷åðà íà çàíÿòèè íàì ñêàçàëè òàêóþ èäèîìó

From soup to nuts = îò íà÷àëà äî êîíöà

ëîãèêè íèêàêîé...... geek
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 6:23 am

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Â÷åðà íà çàíÿòèè íàì ñêàçàëè òàêóþ èäèîìó

From soup to nuts = îò íà÷àëà äî êîíöà

ëîãèêè íèêàêîé...... geek
À òåáå íå ñëîæíî ïðî ìîè ôðàçû ñïðîñèòü ó ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ?
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 6:34 am

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À òåáå íå ñëîæíî ïðî ìîè ôðàçû ñïðîñèòü ó ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ?

ß óæå ïîäóìàëà îá ýòîì Wink
Òîëüêî íà íåäåëå ó íàñ àìåðèêàíöû, îíè âðÿäëè òîëêîì îáúÿñíÿò (îíè æ ïî ðóññêè íå ãîâîðÿò), òàê ÷òî ïîñòàðàþñü ïîìíèòü è ñïðîñèòü ó ðóññêîãî òè÷åðà â âîñêðåñåíüå Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 8:29 am

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Civetta wrote:
À òåáå íå ñëîæíî ïðî ìîè ôðàçû ñïðîñèòü ó ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿ?
ß óæå ïîäóìàëà îá ýòîì Wink
Òîëüêî íà íåäåëå ó íàñ àìåðèêàíöû, îíè âðÿäëè òîëêîì îáúÿñíÿò (îíè æ ïî ðóññêè íå ãîâîðÿò), òàê ÷òî ïîñòàðàþñü ïîìíèòü è ñïðîñèòü ó ðóññêîãî òè÷åðà â âîñêðåñåíüå Smile
À àìåðèêàíöû ýòè êòî? Ñòóäåíòû? Êàê ñ íèìè óðîê ïðîõîäèò? Â âèäå áåñåäû?
Ìîæåò ëó÷øå ó íèõ ñïðîñèòü, ýòî ïðîñòî èç êíèãè ãäå ïî àìåðèêàí èíãëèø íàïèñàíî
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 8:33 am

Red owl Smile wrote:
Â÷åðà íà çàíÿòèè íàì ñêàçàëè òàêóþ èäèîìó
From soup to nuts = îò íà÷àëà äî êîíöà
ëîãèêè íèêàêîé...... geek
íó, ïî÷åìó íèêàêîé
à ïðèìåðû äàâàëè ñ ýòîé ôðàçîé?
íàïðèìåð, ìîæíî ëè òàê ñêàçàòü: Question I read that book from soup to nuts Question
èëè ñ ôèëüìîì, íàïðèìåð, òî ÷òî òû åãî ïîñìîòðåëà from soup to nuts
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 8:54 am

ß òóò ñ àìåðèêàíöåì ïåðåãîâîðèëà ïî ïîâîäó òîé ôðàçû:

James • It's kind of hard I think it refers to having an enormous variety of something or being able to do many things.
ïîòîì ïîïðîñèëà äàòü ìíå ïðèìåð:
James • the mechanic fixed my brakes and my stereo they can do it all there, from soup to nuts.
ïîòîì åùå ñïðîñèëà ïðî ñâîé âàðèàíò ñ êíèãîé è êèíî

James • no I don't think so-more like, that book has it all! From soup to nuts! (òî åñòü has many different facets, many different qualities.)
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 9:16 am

Civetta wrote:
À àìåðèêàíöû ýòè êòî? Ñòóäåíòû? Êàê ñ íèìè óðîê ïðîõîäèò? Â âèäå áåñåäû?
Ìîæåò ëó÷øå ó íèõ ñïðîñèòü, ýòî ïðîñòî èç êíèãè ãäå ïî àìåðèêàí èíãëèø íàïèñàíî
Ýòè Àìåðèêàíöû ñïåöèàëüíî ïðèåçæàþò ñþäà ðàáîòàòü ïðåïîäàâàòåëÿìè ïî èçó÷åíèþ àìåðèêàíñêîãî àíãëèéñêîãî.
Íàì âîîáùå âåçåò íà íîâåíüêèõ, åñòü òàêèå,êîòîðûå òóò äàâíî ïðåïîäàþò è çíàþò ðóññêèé, íî ìû ê íèì íå ïîïàäàëè Razz
Ïîýòîìó ó íàñ ÷àñòî íà óðîêå èãðà â êðîêîäèë ïîëó÷àåòñÿ Laughing êîãäà îíè ïûòàþòñÿ íàì êàêîå-òî ñëîâî îáúÿñíèòü.
Äýâèä íàì íà òðåòüåì óðîâíå ïîêà îáúÿñíèë ñëîâî "êîíñåðâàöèÿ" ìû òàì óæå ñòîëüêî âñåãî ïåðåáðàëè hihi âåñåëüå òî åùå hihi

À ñõåìà çàíÿòèé òàêàÿ arrow
Ó íàñ åñòü óðî÷íèê. Òàì êàðòèíêè, ïðàâèëà, äèàëîãè è ò.ï.  íà÷àëå êàæäîãî óðîêà ôðàçû ê êàðòèíêàì, â êîíöå îêîëî 70 ñëîâ, êîòîðûå ìô äîëæíû âûó÷èòü study
 âîñêðåñåíüå ìû 2 ÷àñà ðàçáèðàåì ãðàììàòèêó äâóõ óðîêîâ ñ íàøèì ïðåïîäàâàòåëåì, à ïîòîì äâà äíÿ íà íåäåëå ïî 2 ÷àñà êàæäûé óðîê ñ àìåðèêàíöåì. Òîëüêî óæå ó÷åáíèêè îòêðûâàòü íåëüçÿ. Íàì ðàçäàþò ëàìèíàòû ñ êàðòèíêàìè èç óðîêà. Ôðàçû ê êàðòèíêàì ìû òåîðåòè÷åñêè óæå äîëæíû áûëè âûó÷èòü hihi È ïîòîì óæå ïëÿøåì îò ýòèõ ôðàç è êàðòèíîê, ìåíÿåì èõ ïîä ïðàâèëà ãðàììàòèêè... Èëè íàì äàþò ïðèìåð äèàëîãà, à ìû îïÿòü òàêè ïîä êàðòèíêè åãî ìîäèôèöèðóåì.

Åùå åñòü êîíâýðñåéøíû.. òàì ìû ïðîñòî áîëòàåì ñ àìåðèêàíöàìè íà çàäàííûå òåìû (õî÷åøü ãîâîðè, õî÷åøü ñëóøàé), õîòÿ ÷àñòî òåìà óõîäèò äàëåêî îò çàäàííîé hihi Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 10:18 am

Äà, ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó, âñå ñåðüåçíî
Òû óæå ãîä òóäà õîäèøü èëè áîëüøå?
À àìåðèêàíöû ýòè ïî îáðàçîâàíèþ ïðåïîäàâàòåëè?
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 11:42 am

Çäîðîâî Îëü, ÿ òàê ðàäà çà òåáÿ, òåáå î÷åíü ïîâåçëî hurray È íè÷åãî ñòðàøíîãî, ÷òî îáúÿñíÿþò íà àíãëèéñêîì, òàê äàæå ïîëåçíåå Wink ß, íàïðèìåð, ïðîñòî îáîæàþ àíãëî-àíãëèéñêèå ñëîâàðè I love you
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 3:48 pm

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Äà, ñóäÿ ïî âñåìó, âñå ñåðüåçíî. Òû óæå ãîä òóäà õîäèøü èëè áîëüøå?
À àìåðèêàíöû ýòè ïî îáðàçîâàíèþ ïðåïîäàâàòåëè?
ß òóäà õîæó ñ ñåíòÿáðÿ ïðîøëîãî ãîäà Smile
À àìåðèêàíöû èç òåõ ìîëîäûõ, ÷òî ó íàñ áûëè ïî îáðàçîâàíèþ ïî-ìîåìó íå ïðåïîäàâàòåëè.. Ïðîñòî îáùèòåëüíûå íîñèòåëè ÿçûêà Smile Óïîð èäåò íà ðàçãîâîðíûé àíãëèéñêèé, ò.å. ÷òîáû íå áûëî ÿçûêîâîãî áàðüåðà, ÷òîáû ëþäè ìîãëè ñâîáîäíî ãîâîðèòü. Íî Äýâèä äî ýòîãî ãîä â Êîðåå ïðåïîäàâàë. Áðýò, ó êîòîðîãî êîíâýðñýéøí ïî èçó÷àë ôèëîñîôèþ è èñòîðèþ, èíòåðåñíûé ïàðåíü. Êîãäà òîëüêî ïðèåõàë, ìû íå ìîãëè ðàçîáðàòü åãî òåõàññêèé àêöåíò, íî òåïåðü è îí àêöåíò ïîäïðàâèë è ìû ïðèâûêëè Laughing Ïëþñ åùå è â òîì, ÷òî ìû ñëûøèì àìåðèêàíöåâ ñ ðàçíûì àêöåíòîì, èç ðàçíûõ ÷àñòåé Àìåðèêè, ïðèâûêàåì âîñïðèíèìàòü íà ñëóõ.

Áûëà âçðîñëàÿ æåíùèíà Ëèíäà - îíà ïðåïîäàâàòåëü. È îíà ó÷èò è êîíòðîëèðóåò ìîëîäûõ. Ê íèì â ïðîøëîì óðîâíå ïðèåçæàë êîíòðîëü èç Êèåâà - ñèäåëè íà óðîêàõ, ïðîâåðÿëè êàê îíè íàñ ó÷àò.
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PostSubject: Re: Learning English   Learning English EmptyMon Mar 17, 2008 3:51 pm

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Çäîðîâî Îëü, ÿ òàê ðàäà çà òåáÿ, òåáå î÷åíü ïîâåçëî hurray È íè÷åãî ñòðàøíîãî, ÷òî îáúÿñíÿþò íà àíãëèéñêîì, òàê äàæå ïîëåçíåå Wink
Thank you!!!!!!! Razz
ß åñëè ÷åñòíî ñàìà çà ñåáÿ ðàäà Razz Ìíå î÷åíü ýòè êóðñû íðàâÿòñÿ I love you Åñëè á ÿ åùå íå ëåíòÿéíè÷àëà geek
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